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August 22, 2004

Unseemliness

So I was watching Scarborough Country on MSNBC, when Joe's Democratic guest said something I found pretty appalling. When confronted with the pretty substantial evidence that John Kerry lied about his service in Vietnam, he tried to pull the old two-wrongs-make-a-right trick by comparing Kerry's lies to Bush's alleged lies about WMD in Iraq. Setting the non sequitur aside for now, what really was contemptible was this joker (whose name I unfortunately do not recall) saying, "The 1,000th American bodybag is about to come home from Iraq..."

Now, unless I am gravely mistaken, the 1,000th American soldier hasn't even been killed in Iraq, and already this guy (and, I strongly suspect, others) are preparing to bash Bush with his bodybag. It's like they're counting the dead in Iraq with a growing sense of anticipation, just waiting for it to reach that magic figure so they can yell even louder about what a mistake the war was. Is it just me, or is there something grossly unseemly about their masturbatory glee over American casualties?

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Right, he said 'about to come home'.

Now, this part might confused you, but there are over 950 American Soliders killed in action, so number 1000 is right around the fucking corner. You can stick your fingers in your ears and refuse to listen to that, of course.

Of course, using that number means that we're just circle jerking about the war, Liberals hate America, and Liberals hate our Troops. Are you fucking dumber than Ted Rall? That's over 950 people that have died for this war, the justification of which is more than just questionable.

La La La La La.

Posted by: Mork | Aug 22, 2004 9:07:26 PM

In the first place, please keep it civil. This is not a free speech zone -- if it were, you'd see a lot more barbed wire cages like they had at the DNC. Ad hominems will not be tolerated.

In the second place, I never accused the Democratic correspondent of inaccuracy, merely unseemliness. It's true that we will probably see 1,000 American fatalities in Iraq before too long. What's disquieting is the feeling that a whole lot of Bush antipartisans have the champagne on ice and have a big neon sign reading "1,000" just ready to light up as soon as that tragic day arrives.

Approximately 1.8 Americans have died in Iraq per day since the invasion. We respect and revere these fallen warriors, and we appreciate and mourn their sacrifice. But decent people do not wave their bloody corpses as flags. Decent people also maintain a sense of perspective: 550 more Americans die from cancer each day than have died in Iraq since the invasion began a year and a half ago. For every American who dies in Iraq, 65 Americans die in automobile accidents. Any given American is three times more likely to die of drowning in his bathtub than in Iraq.

This is not to discount the sacrifice made by these heroes. But as far as human cost goes, the liberation of Iraq was about as cheap as it gets. Those who complain of fatalities are being disingenuous. It wouldn't matter to them if there were 10, 100, 1,000, or 100,000 fatalities; any number would be too high. They're not counting the cost, they're saying that we shouldn't have gone into Iraq at all. They're more than welcome to hold and defend that view, but they should at least be honest about it.

Posted by: Voice of Reason | Aug 23, 2004 9:52:06 AM

Well atleast you're deleting the sycophantic comments as well.

Posted by: Mork | Aug 31, 2004 11:29:20 PM

Appears that you've picked up a Troll, my friend.

BTW, around 1000 dead in Iraq, eh Mork? That's almost a third of the innocents killed on 9/11.

Posted by: Thoolou | Sep 3, 2004 2:38:24 PM

What does Iraq have to do with 9/11?

Oh, that's right, comparing Apples to Oranges.


Why do you hate America?

Posted by: Mork | Sep 3, 2004 2:45:00 PM

So Mork, why do you hate America so much you want her to lose her will to fight and win the war?

Your efforts don't make us safer; they don't bring us closer to victory; all they do is provide the enemy with something he cannot do on his own: undermine our will to defeat him on the battlefield.

Oh, you can argue "democracy and free speech rights," and that's all true, but the enemy - like the North Vietnamese Communist before them - realizes he can only defeat us after he defeats our will to win. He can only get the weapons to defeat us from nations like Iraq and leaders like Saddam.

I know you and others like you don't care about this argument, since you're objectively for the enemy - but on the ever-so-slight chance you weren't, you'd acknowledge Bush's success in Iraq has effectively killed Libya's nuclear program. No small victory, that, unless, of course, you want Libya to have nuclear weapons...in which case its a setback. I know what side I'm on.

Posted by: Tim | Sep 3, 2004 3:00:50 PM

I know you and others like you don't care about this argument, since you're objectively for the enemy - but on the ever-so-slight chance you weren't, you'd acknowledge Bush's success in Iraq has effectively killed Libya's nuclear program. No small victory, that, unless, of course, you want Libya to have nuclear weapons...in which case its a setback. I know what side I'm on.


Yeah, Libya sure is doing great, they're probably even hiding things as we speak

"In the report, the agency credited Libya with cooperation, but said some questions remain. Among them was the issue of some "enrichment technology" that was missing after Libya ordered but never received it."
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/chi-0408310237aug31,1,4673695.story?coll=chi-newsnationworld-hed

Posted by: Mork | Sep 3, 2004 3:05:08 PM

Hey Mork.
Every think about the fact that people who sign up for the military volunteer to do that job and they are more than informed the nature of their job.

So since the military people understand what their job is going to be I suppose when they get deployed the reality they might be injured and killed is something they have spent a great deal of time thinking about and discussing it with their families.

Don't make it out like this is some kind of big horrible surprise to anyone that people have died in war. That is what goes on at war. Unless you figure out a way for war to go away and no one ever dies unless it is in their sleep at a ripe old age.

Can it. I get totally sick of people using the death of military people as an argument against the President.
Seems hateful and disrespectful.

Who am I? A Veteran Gulf War 1

Posted by: Buzzkill | Sep 3, 2004 7:57:55 PM

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